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"Brown Shoes Don't Make It"

Published Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:04 AM

I once made the terrible mistake of going to an interview for an IT job at the head office of a bank in London whilst improperly dressed.

I forget what the job was exactly; some IT management role that was customer-facing (in other words, it meant talking to people other than geeks)

I wore brown shoes. OK, laugh, readers, but how was I to know? What book, with a name, I imagine, like "Knock 'em Dead at Interview", ever warns you never to wear brown shoes in front of Bankers. I suspect it is just too obvious to be stated amongst the cognoscenti

I was doing quite well, I thought. Dressed in my regulation pinstripe suit, white shirt (minor striping allowed) and sober tie, (slight hint at a good regiment) I was explaining the finer points of Catalyst or some other development methodology when I absent-mindedly crossed my legs, and, in consequence, swung a polished brown shoe into view. Two of the three interviewers saw the offending shoe and stared as if hypnotized. I suddenly detected that I'd lost my audience. All attention was focused on my well-polished brogues. One of the three interviewers still followed my splendid train of thought until nudged, by one of the others, into looking at the offensive footwear. After that, it was downhill all the way.

Afterwards, I left the building in a state of dejection, and the agent soon got the reproachful feedback about my unforgivable lapse in turnout. 'if only he could have turned out properly, we would have considered him. But he has little or no idea of what is required of someone who will be customer-facing in this enterprise'.

 I sat miserably on a bench in a nearby park with the agent after the interview. She initially reproached me for my foolishness in failing to take enough care of my personal appearance by thoughtlessly wearing brown shoes rather than black. It was as if I'd attended the interview in a gorilla suit. I imagine the three interviewers shaking their heads in disbelief whilst debriefing themselves over a soothing cup of coffee.

I miserably cursed my foolishness in assuming that my abilities would shine through at interview. I must have looked even more dejected than I felt, because she suddenly stopped in mid-flow and promised to buy me a nice pair of regulation pattern black shoes for IT work in a bank. This she then did, explaining that she was only temporarily working as an agent, and hadn't yet been infected with that callous indifference to their job candidates that so infects the profession.

I have to say that it worked like a charm: Within days I was 'Aceing' job interviews- "Knocking 'em dead". I even occasionally deliberately crossed my legs so they could admire how closely my footwear conformed to the sartorial standard. 'hmm - footwear good, must be sound:' I could almost hear them think. 'Shoes good must be a fine fellow.' I still have them, a sentimental souvenir most of the time, but whenever I buy a new pair I take them with me and insist that the new pair are exactly like them.

In the city, there is much discussion about the type of shirt to wear at interview. I always advise white; you can't really go wrong. However, there is some debate over the matter because the liberal wing will suggest rather recklessly that any shirt with sober vertical stripes will do. The suit should, it goes without saying, be charcoal gray, though you can try pinstipe for interviews for jobs of senior grade.

All this knowledge and expertise is nugatory when interviewing for Linux jobs. It is part of the exaggerated informality of organizations that operate a Linux policy that ties are symbols of the beast, and suits are the uniforms of the army of Baal. I once had the misfortune to turn up to an interview for a PostgresSQL job in such an organization, having come directly from an interview for a banking job. I was greeted by a Java programmer dressed in Gothic regalia, a full-length black cloak like a high-church rector, though the regalia of black skulls and deaths-head chain spoilt the effect, and I'm not sure if the church is supportive of platted hair in male priests. He was very charming, but I saw him glance enviously at my black shoes.

I surreptitiously took the tie off and slung the jacket over my shoulder. My interviewer and I stared at each other as a lobster and a squid might do, and decided instantly to keep the conversation on the common ground of creating distributed applications in J2EE. I suspect he had half his mind on the pleasures of chasing squealing elves through woodland at weekends, and he probably thought I was dreaming of blasting grouse out of the sky whilst sneering at the beaters. We cast our cultural differences to one side and basked in the shared excitement of nailing squealing EJBs and 'stateful session beans' as they ran for cover, chuckling over 'thrash-tuning antipatterns' and other oxymoronic neologisms.

I suspect they chuckled over my sartorial faux-pas after I'd left, but my interviewer must have wondered wistfully where I'd gotten those splendid shoes.

(in case the title is obscure, it comes from Frank Zappa's song 'Brown Shoes Don't make it' , an anthem from the 1960s, which goes on...

'....Be a loyal plastic robot
For a world that doesn't care
Smile at every ugly
Shine on your shoes and cut your hair
Be a jerk and go to work Be a jerk and go to work
Be a jerk and go to work Be a jerk and go to work
Do your job, and do it right
Life's a ball! (TV tonight!)
Do you love it, do you hate it?
There it is, the way you made it (WOOOooow) '

Comments

 

anonymous said:

phil...you have an amazing sense of humor...keep it up...
September 20, 2007 9:24 AM
 

Mike C said:

Phil, love your writing.  I have to ask though, are you serious about the brown shoes thing?  Over here in the States, I honestly wouldn't want to work at a place that put so much emphasis on shoes versus skills.  I regularly wear my regulation G.I. combat boots to interviews or two work (highly polished of course).  Wonder how many interviewers have factored that into their decisions? :)
September 20, 2007 8:59 PM
 

Isaac said:

i actually seldom read simpletalk newsletter, but for some reason i did. little did i expect that i'd be entertained so much reading your blog.

btw all my office shoes are black 8-)
September 20, 2007 10:27 PM
 

Phil Factor said:

Mike,

I'm afraid I'm hopeless at making things up. I can only write about things that actually happened. Yes, this incident actually occurred, and I remember feeling acute embarrassment about it at the time. I remember it more for the sudden humanity of the IT agent who bought me the shoes.

There are some even more bizarre 'status signifiers' in the City of London, including the type of watch that you wear. After a year or so working in this sort of hothouse environment it all seems perfectly normal, reasonable and natural. Those of us who blunder in from the real world are seen as strange eccentric and alien creatures, the object of hilarity and dirision.
September 21, 2007 2:01 AM
 

Ray Brennan said:

Hey Phil "The clothes do not make the man!" remember?

I went for about 4 years in Dublin not getting a full time job in programming VB/.net apps, my chosen profession.  I was living on credit cards using cash from one to pay the other at the end of each month and scabbing a living from anything from delivering beer to fixing bicycles.  Ok so there was the dotBomb to blame a little bit but for 4 years, in a city of 2 million, not a single job?  Did I mention I was very single for about the same time?  To make a long story shot (this is an excerpt from my book to be written someday) my friend was playing about with a new camera and took a picture of me fixing bicycles in his shop.  You get covered in oil and grime so bad that it takes days to get it off your hands so of course you just wear old raggy clothes right? Wrong!  I looked like a scruffy street tramp!  I'd meet his customers in these clothes thinking like you once did "Sure they can see that good clothes are no use here with all this oil and filth about, it's all about the quality of our workmanship".

From seeing that photo I spent 800 euro of the last 1000 that was available on my credit card on a suit so that I'd look like Pierce Brosnan (James Bond) selling a watch in a glossy magazine.  I deliberately redesigned myself.  I was looking like a man that women would want to touch up against, holding my arm with one hand and stroking my pecks with the other, more James Bond analagy.  I bought a 50 dollar Rolex even though I don't wear a watch.
I had instant success at interviews.  After that it seemed like I could insult the interviewers and they'd be even more impressed with my confidence "Did you see that guy? He's got it all going on, we need him!"

So why has the saying "The clothes don't make the man" been passed down through the generations?  I realise now that it is because people believe that clothes do make the man and the saying is a reminder of something that we should (but don't) keep in mind.

Now-a-days (3 years later) I have an outfit for everything I do.  I no longer slum around in tracksuits because they're comfortable, instead I always wear clothes that tell people what I'm doing as though they were looking at a photograph.  "Doing a spot of painting now are we?".  When gardening I have my brown work pants on, at the car I have my blue one-sy overall on, when I'm cycling I wear lycra shorts (gay I know), even when I'm out and about for leisure I wear a clean pressed open shirt and nice pants to show a man of leisure (not a slob that doesn't wash or shave), and when I'm fixing bikes I wear black work wear and a black T shirt so even if I am covered in oil I look presentable.

When I'm going for an interview I think of Bond selling watches and look as though I'm a member of the billionaires club so they will want to get close to me.  Sometimes I borrow my friends Mercedes to hide the impression of my thrifty and modest 14year old 954cc Citreon AX.

But Phil, Brown Shoes?!  ;)

Ray in Dublin.
September 21, 2007 3:43 AM
 

Vayse said:

Ray, I was taught a different phrase. It was 'Clothes maketh the man'.
I think you misunderstood, though you obviously understand now!
Check
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/7/messages/309.html

September 21, 2007 5:44 AM
 

Ray said:

Vayse it's not about misunderstanding but interpretation and context.  Can you just put on a Doctor's Smock and be a doctor? or a Priest's robe and be a priest? or a Police Officer's uniform and be a Policeman? Don't judge a book by it's cover.  Why not? The clothes don't make the man nor does the cover make the book.  
People believe that clothes make the man right? So you are right in your interpretation that clothes do make the man in certain practise because people believe they do but actually the clothes don't hence the rephrasing.  Remove the clothes and you could find a fraud and not a man.  
I used to go out cycling in jeans with a club, I could leave them all for dead but nobody took me serious becuase I didn't dress the part even though I was every bit the man for the job.  Actually I cared more about cycling than appearences but that didn't count.
We could play with this for ages but I think there's enough to make my point.
It's a play on words.
September 21, 2007 6:25 AM
 

Steve Savage said:

Your physical attractiveness often is a bigger influence on your interview success than any other aspect, including your resume.
In short, if you're ugly or obese you are at a disadvantage.   Thats why you dress well at an interview, to offset your facial and body shortcomings.
September 21, 2007 8:21 AM
 

Phil Factor said:

It would take more than a smart suit and black shoes to offset my facial and body shortcomings!
September 21, 2007 9:18 AM
 

David in Kansas said:

I can see why Enron when down the tubes. Those guys dressed like honest men but underneath they were crooks. I guess though that was why most if not all were hired because of their clothes and shoes.

September 21, 2007 9:41 AM
 

ltca said:

Much has been made of who Phil Factor really is or whether he really exists.  The fact that he is a Frank Zappa fan reveals much about this enigmatic man.
September 21, 2007 11:38 AM
 

Lee said:

Zappa did some of the best song titles of all time, including, "What Do You Say the Next Day to Whatever You Drag to Your Hotel Tonight?"
September 21, 2007 2:59 PM
 

Ray Brennan said:

Phil Sayed: It would take more than a smart suit and black shoes to offset my facial and body shortcomings! .... and these words from a Zappa fan.  

September 21, 2007 6:07 PM
 

Loaferman said:

You don't judge a book by its cover.  You do buy a book by its cover. The same goes with people.  Interviewers can only see what they can see.  It sounds trite, but what else do we expect them to see? Things they can't?

We extrapolate from what we observe to what we imagine.  For a whole new dimension try tasseled loafers.  (Black ones to start with  :-)    )
September 22, 2007 2:33 AM
 

Pat said:

Sounds just like the old Cockney song about Brown Boots - pronounced Brahn of course!
September 24, 2007 2:28 AM
 

Robbie said:

Hmm, sounds like a human interaction anti-pattern


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Mo-Ma Brown Brogues, size 42
October 6, 2007 3:30 AM
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